Comments on: The coffee maker and two doctrines of vocation http://www.geneveith.com/the-coffee-maker-and-two-doctrines-of-vocation/_756/ Christianity, Culture, Vocation Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:19:50 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Recent Links Tagged With "vocation" - JabberTags http://www.geneveith.com/the-coffee-maker-and-two-doctrines-of-vocation/_756/#comment-46997 Recent Links Tagged With "vocation" - JabberTags Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:19:22 +0000 http://www.geneveith.com/the-coffee-maker-and-two-doctrines-of-vocation/_756/#comment-46997 [...] a man enters upon the vocation intended for him by nature, and Saved by ignatia on Sun 04-1-2009 The coffee maker and two doctrines of vocation Saved by mote on Sat 03-1-2009 MONTHLY VOCATION ENCOUNTER Saved by myriiiaam on Fri 02-1-2009 [...] [...] a man enters upon the vocation intended for him by nature, and Saved by ignatia on Sun 04-1-2009 The coffee maker and two doctrines of vocation Saved by mote on Sat 03-1-2009 MONTHLY VOCATION ENCOUNTER Saved by myriiiaam on Fri 02-1-2009 [...]

]]> By: Bike Bubba http://www.geneveith.com/the-coffee-maker-and-two-doctrines-of-vocation/_756/#comment-9997 Bike Bubba Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:43:34 +0000 http://www.geneveith.com/the-coffee-maker-and-two-doctrines-of-vocation/_756/#comment-9997 If your Bug Light came alive, my apologies to you, Bryan. That sounds pretty dangerous. :^) Actually, I believe Michael Jackson (the beer expert, not the singer/freak) noted that Bug Light and other american brews are designed to be drunk a little colder as a thirst quencher. Do that to a good German or English brew, though, and you'll miss a lot of what makes it different from a Bugweiser. If your Bug Light came alive, my apologies to you, Bryan. That sounds pretty dangerous. :^)

Actually, I believe Michael Jackson (the beer expert, not the singer/freak) noted that Bug Light and other american brews are designed to be drunk a little colder as a thirst quencher. Do that to a good German or English brew, though, and you’ll miss a lot of what makes it different from a Bugweiser.

]]> By: Bryan Lindemood http://www.geneveith.com/the-coffee-maker-and-two-doctrines-of-vocation/_756/#comment-9868 Bryan Lindemood Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:59:47 +0000 http://www.geneveith.com/the-coffee-maker-and-two-doctrines-of-vocation/_756/#comment-9868 Yeah Bike Bubba, thanks for the tip. And you know you are absolutely right, yesterday I found that my Bud Light really came alive at 36.7F. Awesome! Yeah Bike Bubba, thanks for the tip. And you know you are absolutely right, yesterday I found that my Bud Light really came alive at 36.7F. Awesome!

]]> By: John T Meche III http://www.geneveith.com/the-coffee-maker-and-two-doctrines-of-vocation/_756/#comment-9848 John T Meche III Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:17:57 +0000 http://www.geneveith.com/the-coffee-maker-and-two-doctrines-of-vocation/_756/#comment-9848 Must the two be exclusive? I would argue that if you aren't making the coffee to the glory of God then you aren't loving and serving your neighbor. Also, if you aren't loving and serving your neighbor in making the coffee, then you aren't doing it to the glory of God. Must the two be exclusive? I would argue that if you aren’t making the coffee to the glory of God then you aren’t loving and serving your neighbor. Also, if you aren’t loving and serving your neighbor in making the coffee, then you aren’t doing it to the glory of God.

]]> By: Bike Bubba http://www.geneveith.com/the-coffee-maker-and-two-doctrines-of-vocation/_756/#comment-9841 Bike Bubba Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:59:11 +0000 http://www.geneveith.com/the-coffee-maker-and-two-doctrines-of-vocation/_756/#comment-9841 For reference, the reason drinks have a proper temperature for serving (beer, wine, coffee, whatever) is not because of a presence or lack of refridgeration (the Germans always had 40F caves in which they lagered their beer after all), but rather it's the temperature when it releases the best smell and taste to the drinker. Contrary to what most Americans think, this temperature is generally above 33F. For reference, the reason drinks have a proper temperature for serving (beer, wine, coffee, whatever) is not because of a presence or lack of refridgeration (the Germans always had 40F caves in which they lagered their beer after all), but rather it’s the temperature when it releases the best smell and taste to the drinker. Contrary to what most Americans think, this temperature is generally above 33F.

]]> By: Sarah in Maryland http://www.geneveith.com/the-coffee-maker-and-two-doctrines-of-vocation/_756/#comment-9824 Sarah in Maryland Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:24:35 +0000 http://www.geneveith.com/the-coffee-maker-and-two-doctrines-of-vocation/_756/#comment-9824 Can one have "good taste" and not be a "snob?" I get accused of being a snob all the time about art. Even when I don't say anything. Does having standards about quality = being a snob? Can one have “good taste” and not be a “snob?” I get accused of being a snob all the time about art. Even when I don’t say anything. Does having standards about quality = being a snob?

]]> By: Manamanous http://www.geneveith.com/the-coffee-maker-and-two-doctrines-of-vocation/_756/#comment-9819 Manamanous Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:14:50 +0000 http://www.geneveith.com/the-coffee-maker-and-two-doctrines-of-vocation/_756/#comment-9819 As I sit here a self-confessed coffee snob, drinking my hot, unsweetened, slightly over-extracted double espresso shot, I wonder if there can't be a middle-way: good coffee is to the glory of God, who made it, and in service of the neighbour, who shares it! Or might that be considered coffee unionism? As I sit here a self-confessed coffee snob, drinking my hot, unsweetened, slightly over-extracted double espresso shot, I wonder if there can’t be a middle-way: good coffee is to the glory of God, who made it, and in service of the neighbour, who shares it! Or might that be considered coffee unionism?

]]> By: Tickletext http://www.geneveith.com/the-coffee-maker-and-two-doctrines-of-vocation/_756/#comment-9816 Tickletext Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:50:57 +0000 http://www.geneveith.com/the-coffee-maker-and-two-doctrines-of-vocation/_756/#comment-9816 Did you know that Bach wrote a "Coffee Cantata" (BWV 211): “If I can’t drink my bowl of coffee three times daily, then in my torment, I will shrivel up like a piece of roast goat.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_Cantata Did you know that Bach wrote a “Coffee Cantata” (BWV 211):

“If I can’t drink my bowl of coffee three times daily, then in my torment, I will shrivel up like a piece of roast goat.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_Cantata

]]> By: tODD http://www.geneveith.com/the-coffee-maker-and-two-doctrines-of-vocation/_756/#comment-9810 tODD Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:27:24 +0000 http://www.geneveith.com/the-coffee-maker-and-two-doctrines-of-vocation/_756/#comment-9810 Jones (@24), I'm sorry, but if you're ordering a drink like that, you're not visiting coffee snob places <i>at all</i>. You are, in fact, at a Starbucks (it was they, after all, who "invented" the "vente" size -- though it's just Italian for "twenty", as in 20 oz.). Sorry, coffee snobs do not visit Starbucks. If you want to order from a true snob, just order a double ("doppio" if you want to press the issue) espresso. And then complain that it took too long, it wasn't packed down enough or evenly, and that the crema is off. That said, the anti-elitist cry of "snobbery" almost always means "a case where someone cares more about something than I do". So while I enjoy a better burger than McDonald's serves up, anyone who likes more expensive burgers than I do (or who disdains my favorite place) is a "snob". But I am not a snob, even if I think McDonald's actually serves up a cardboard-tofu puck. In short: I have standards, other people are snobs. As for your suggested barista reply, from what I've read, that seems to have been what actually was said. Hard to say, since it seems all parties involved weren't on their best behavior. Jones (@24), I’m sorry, but if you’re ordering a drink like that, you’re not visiting coffee snob places at all. You are, in fact, at a Starbucks (it was they, after all, who “invented” the “vente” size — though it’s just Italian for “twenty”, as in 20 oz.). Sorry, coffee snobs do not visit Starbucks. If you want to order from a true snob, just order a double (“doppio” if you want to press the issue) espresso. And then complain that it took too long, it wasn’t packed down enough or evenly, and that the crema is off.

That said, the anti-elitist cry of “snobbery” almost always means “a case where someone cares more about something than I do”. So while I enjoy a better burger than McDonald’s serves up, anyone who likes more expensive burgers than I do (or who disdains my favorite place) is a “snob”. But I am not a snob, even if I think McDonald’s actually serves up a cardboard-tofu puck. In short: I have standards, other people are snobs.

As for your suggested barista reply, from what I’ve read, that seems to have been what actually was said. Hard to say, since it seems all parties involved weren’t on their best behavior.

]]> By: The Jones http://www.geneveith.com/the-coffee-maker-and-two-doctrines-of-vocation/_756/#comment-9807 The Jones Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:48:57 +0000 http://www.geneveith.com/the-coffee-maker-and-two-doctrines-of-vocation/_756/#comment-9807 Seems to me like coffee snobbery. Pure coffee snobbery. And in regards to the question, how can you make coffee to the glory of God without serving your neighbor. If we're going to use the example of the iced espresso, then the proper response of somebody who would both glorify God and serve their neighbor is, "Sir, I would feel really bad offering you an iced espresso, from my experience it just ruins the whole thing. Try this drink instead, I think you'll really like it. If not, have your espresso." I always have a drink ready for "elite" coffee snob places, and you can feel free to use this drink to confront coffee snob baristas with this tool. The information was gained from a barista at a coffee snob hut who shared with me every possible defamatory coffee action: "Yes, I'd like an iced decaf extra-hot espresso latte made with one part skim milk and one part half and half in a Vente size... ...to go." Seems to me like coffee snobbery. Pure coffee snobbery. And in regards to the question, how can you make coffee to the glory of God without serving your neighbor. If we’re going to use the example of the iced espresso, then the proper response of somebody who would both glorify God and serve their neighbor is, “Sir, I would feel really bad offering you an iced espresso, from my experience it just ruins the whole thing. Try this drink instead, I think you’ll really like it. If not, have your espresso.”

I always have a drink ready for “elite” coffee snob places, and you can feel free to use this drink to confront coffee snob baristas with this tool. The information was gained from a barista at a coffee snob hut who shared with me every possible defamatory coffee action: “Yes, I’d like an iced decaf extra-hot espresso latte made with one part skim milk and one part half and half in a Vente size… …to go.”

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