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		<title>By: mark h.</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark h.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 03:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We also made it a circuit celebration. We had 5 congregations, 2 mission plants. We had all the pastors and choirs participate, Dr. Reed Lessing preach. We had Thrivent and LWMLs provide ice-cream and invited all our Sunday School children to particpate by launching balloons 15 minutes before the service. At 6:30 they all processed in and we sang &quot;Do you know who died, rose, lives for me..Jesus did, Jesus did (does).&quot; After a short children&#039;s message on Ascension day we continued with the regular Divine Service. We had about 400 in attendance. It was a grand celebration - Word, Sacrament, music, ice-cream, children and balloons!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We also made it a circuit celebration. We had 5 congregations, 2 mission plants. We had all the pastors and choirs participate, Dr. Reed Lessing preach. We had Thrivent and LWMLs provide ice-cream and invited all our Sunday School children to particpate by launching balloons 15 minutes before the service. At 6:30 they all processed in and we sang &#8220;Do you know who died, rose, lives for me..Jesus did, Jesus did (does).&#8221; After a short children&#8217;s message on Ascension day we continued with the regular Divine Service. We had about 400 in attendance. It was a grand celebration &#8211; Word, Sacrament, music, ice-cream, children and balloons!</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
		<link>http://www.geneveith.com/happy-ascension-day/_570/#comment-7379</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 01:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the second year now our circuit of 10 churches has held a joint Ascension service at the largest church in the circuit.  We celebrate Holy Communion with all the pastors participating, special music with choir and bell choirs.  Fellowship with light refreshments follow the service.  It is a wonderful opportunity for all sister congregations to come together for a very uplifting service and fellowship.  The pastors want it to become an annual celebration.Attendance is very good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the second year now our circuit of 10 churches has held a joint Ascension service at the largest church in the circuit.  We celebrate Holy Communion with all the pastors participating, special music with choir and bell choirs.  Fellowship with light refreshments follow the service.  It is a wonderful opportunity for all sister congregations to come together for a very uplifting service and fellowship.  The pastors want it to become an annual celebration.Attendance is very good.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.geneveith.com/happy-ascension-day/_570/#comment-7350</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 14:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, Bryan, Joe, and LAJ, bless you!  Would that there were more faithful pastors such as you! Indeed, keep the faith!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, Bryan, Joe, and LAJ, bless you!  Would that there were more faithful pastors such as you! Indeed, keep the faith!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.geneveith.com/happy-ascension-day/_570/#comment-7348</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 13:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had about 35-40.  That is in line with our mid-week Advent services and less than our mid-week Lenten services.   Sunday attendance is usually around 140.  We have always taken the view that we should have the services whether people will show up or not.  We do try to get the start time &quot;right&quot; to make it as easy as possible for our members to make it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had about 35-40.  That is in line with our mid-week Advent services and less than our mid-week Lenten services.   Sunday attendance is usually around 140.  We have always taken the view that we should have the services whether people will show up or not.  We do try to get the start time &#8220;right&#8221; to make it as easy as possible for our members to make it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Lindemood</title>
		<link>http://www.geneveith.com/happy-ascension-day/_570/#comment-7333</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Lindemood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 06:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had 12 too.  hmmm.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.geneveith.com/happy-ascension-day/_570/#comment-7330</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 02:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I presided and preached at Holy Communion this evening in our little congregation.  

I recently re-read a very good article by David Yeago, from the spring &#039;97 edition of Pro Ecclesia, &quot;Messiah&#039;s People:  the Culture of the Church in the Midst of the Nations&quot;.  He argues that main-line churches seek validation from the surrounding culture in the &quot;&#039;ceaseless crisis of legitimation&#039;&quot;, instead of seeking the Lord and His Kingdom, His own &#039;culture&#039;.  And he has this telling footnote about liturgies that are sparsely attended:

&quot;...from the time the church first had buildings for worship until sometime in the modern period, it seemed too obvious to need argument that the church, being the kind of community it is, would hold worship in them each day, even if few of its members had leisrue to attend.  By contrast, mainline clergy almost universally assume that it is somehow wrong, a culpable waste of time, to persist in offering a service of worship unless enough people how up to &#039;make it worthwhile&#039;. Market-share confers legitimacy;  what does not successully appeal to the consumer has no right to go on.&quot;

I have been guilty of the above.  But we are not to be conformed to the pattern of this present world and so renewed in our minds.  We are called to honor the Lord, even if there are so few.  By the way,I printed 12 bulletins for this evening and that&#039;s how many we needed.  It seems that the attendance at the Ascension on Bethany was probably all of 12.  

Keep the Faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I presided and preached at Holy Communion this evening in our little congregation.  </p>
<p>I recently re-read a very good article by David Yeago, from the spring &#8217;97 edition of Pro Ecclesia, &#8220;Messiah&#8217;s People:  the Culture of the Church in the Midst of the Nations&#8221;.  He argues that main-line churches seek validation from the surrounding culture in the &#8220;&#8216;ceaseless crisis of legitimation&#8217;&#8221;, instead of seeking the Lord and His Kingdom, His own &#8216;culture&#8217;.  And he has this telling footnote about liturgies that are sparsely attended:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;from the time the church first had buildings for worship until sometime in the modern period, it seemed too obvious to need argument that the church, being the kind of community it is, would hold worship in them each day, even if few of its members had leisrue to attend.  By contrast, mainline clergy almost universally assume that it is somehow wrong, a culpable waste of time, to persist in offering a service of worship unless enough people how up to &#8216;make it worthwhile&#8217;. Market-share confers legitimacy;  what does not successully appeal to the consumer has no right to go on.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have been guilty of the above.  But we are not to be conformed to the pattern of this present world and so renewed in our minds.  We are called to honor the Lord, even if there are so few.  By the way,I printed 12 bulletins for this evening and that&#8217;s how many we needed.  It seems that the attendance at the Ascension on Bethany was probably all of 12.  </p>
<p>Keep the Faith.</p>
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		<title>By: LAJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>LAJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 01:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One way to bring people to an Ascension service is to have all the children of the congregation or school sing!  That&#039;s what happened on Ascension Eve at our church.  There still weren&#039;t as many in attendance as could be, but more than 40.  The children sang beautifully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One way to bring people to an Ascension service is to have all the children of the congregation or school sing!  That&#8217;s what happened on Ascension Eve at our church.  There still weren&#8217;t as many in attendance as could be, but more than 40.  The children sang beautifully.</p>
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		<title>By: FW</title>
		<link>http://www.geneveith.com/happy-ascension-day/_570/#comment-7325</link>
		<dc:creator>FW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the implications between Lutherans and reformed go deeper I think.

Robert Capon, an episcopalian, catches this by describing God´s presence as that of an iceberg beneath the water that is ever present and becomes occasionally visible above the surface.  This is the sacramental idea really well described.

He decribes the reformed view as being sort of like a sewing machine needle that descends and perforates time and space and then recedes again to be distant rather than ever immanent.

I believe this is exactly why the reformed think of God´s relation to evil and to his creation as more adversarial and as a great battle.  

Lutherans can see, in the incarnation especially, as God being in communion with His creation while at the same time never being at risk of conflating creator with creature/creation or being neo-amimistic in even the slightest way.  

Lutheran poetry vs a certain Reformed urgent need for the imposed structure of rules also becomes rather evident....

Yes.  Ascension Day is something Lutherans would be good to try to reclaim for so many reasons.

I would be most interested to hear your thoughts on how all of this might affect one´s view of vocation Dr Veith!  John Milton´s &quot;..to serve my Maker and present my true account ...&quot;worker bee calvinism vs........what exactly....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the implications between Lutherans and reformed go deeper I think.</p>
<p>Robert Capon, an episcopalian, catches this by describing God´s presence as that of an iceberg beneath the water that is ever present and becomes occasionally visible above the surface.  This is the sacramental idea really well described.</p>
<p>He decribes the reformed view as being sort of like a sewing machine needle that descends and perforates time and space and then recedes again to be distant rather than ever immanent.</p>
<p>I believe this is exactly why the reformed think of God´s relation to evil and to his creation as more adversarial and as a great battle.  </p>
<p>Lutherans can see, in the incarnation especially, as God being in communion with His creation while at the same time never being at risk of conflating creator with creature/creation or being neo-amimistic in even the slightest way.  </p>
<p>Lutheran poetry vs a certain Reformed urgent need for the imposed structure of rules also becomes rather evident&#8230;.</p>
<p>Yes.  Ascension Day is something Lutherans would be good to try to reclaim for so many reasons.</p>
<p>I would be most interested to hear your thoughts on how all of this might affect one´s view of vocation Dr Veith!  John Milton´s &#8220;..to serve my Maker and present my true account &#8230;&#8221;worker bee calvinism vs&#8230;&#8230;..what exactly&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Happy Ascension Day . . . &#171; Planet Augsburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Happy Ascension Day . . . &#171; Planet Augsburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 22:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Happy Ascension Day . .&#160;. Posted by OB1-K. under OB1-K. &#160;  Picking up on Veith&#8217;s thoughts . . .    [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sarah in Maryland</title>
		<link>http://www.geneveith.com/happy-ascension-day/_570/#comment-7311</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah in Maryland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 18:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our church does an event one Wednesday in Lent. About 30 people showed up this year, but it was great! We also have about 250 regular members, even though there are 500 on the books. I am glad that we share the Meal every Sunday. It&#039;s actually one of the reasons I became a Lutheran. I was starving to death at those once-in-a-blue-moon Baptist churches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our church does an event one Wednesday in Lent. About 30 people showed up this year, but it was great! We also have about 250 regular members, even though there are 500 on the books. I am glad that we share the Meal every Sunday. It&#8217;s actually one of the reasons I became a Lutheran. I was starving to death at those once-in-a-blue-moon Baptist churches.</p>
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