Comments on: CBS looks for those missing snipers http://www.geneveith.com/cbs-looks-for-those-missing-snipers/_466/ Christianity, Culture, Vocation Thu, 09 Sep 2010 06:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: tODD http://www.geneveith.com/cbs-looks-for-those-missing-snipers/_466/#comment-5531 tODD Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:38:17 +0000 http://www.geneveith.com/cbs-looks-for-those-missing-snipers/_466/#comment-5531 Bike Bubba (@9), even if we assume that McCain was correct the first time, that makes it all the sillier that he apologized and corrected himself. Either he was wrong about the Iran-AQI link (meaning that he gets major foreign policy facts confused repeatedly), or he was right in the first place (meaning that he got confused merely from a suggestion from his supporter, Joe Lieberman). Not sure how that makes him look good, either way. In a recent interview, Gen. Petraeus noted, in contrast to his interviewer's suggestion that Iran was supporting Al Qaeda, that "the flow of foreign fighters and suicide bombers that help Al Qaeda typically is through Syria." Bike Bubba (@9), even if we assume that McCain was correct the first time, that makes it all the sillier that he apologized and corrected himself.

Either he was wrong about the Iran-AQI link (meaning that he gets major foreign policy facts confused repeatedly), or he was right in the first place (meaning that he got confused merely from a suggestion from his supporter, Joe Lieberman). Not sure how that makes him look good, either way.

In a recent interview, Gen. Petraeus noted, in contrast to his interviewer’s suggestion that Iran was supporting Al Qaeda, that “the flow of foreign fighters and suicide bombers that help Al Qaeda typically is through Syria.”

]]> By: Bike Bubba http://www.geneveith.com/cbs-looks-for-those-missing-snipers/_466/#comment-5459 Bike Bubba Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:34:56 +0000 http://www.geneveith.com/cbs-looks-for-those-missing-snipers/_466/#comment-5459 Todd,first of all, my argument from probability rests not on a serial mistake, but on the likelihood that two people separated by hundreds of miles would make the same mistake. That doesn't exist for McCain's statement. And the statement? Well, according to the Weekly Standard, there is some evidence for McCain's claim. So he's not even wrong, let alone lying. http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/03/mccain_was_right_iran_works_wi.asp Todd,first of all, my argument from probability rests not on a serial mistake, but on the likelihood that two people separated by hundreds of miles would make the same mistake. That doesn’t exist for McCain’s statement.

And the statement? Well, according to the Weekly Standard, there is some evidence for McCain’s claim. So he’s not even wrong, let alone lying.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/03/mccain_was_right_iran_works_wi.asp

]]> By: Imagining Sniper Fire « Off The Wire http://www.geneveith.com/cbs-looks-for-those-missing-snipers/_466/#comment-5445 Imagining Sniper Fire « Off The Wire Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:22:06 +0000 http://www.geneveith.com/cbs-looks-for-those-missing-snipers/_466/#comment-5445 [...] 26, 2008 by Matthew Wireman I got a good chuckle out of this today. Gene Veith shares a video where Sen. Clinton’s claims to having been fired at by snipers while on a visit to Bosnia. [...] [...] 26, 2008 by Matthew Wireman I got a good chuckle out of this today. Gene Veith shares a video where Sen. Clinton’s claims to having been fired at by snipers while on a visit to Bosnia. [...]

]]> By: tODD http://www.geneveith.com/cbs-looks-for-those-missing-snipers/_466/#comment-5404 tODD Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:06:00 +0000 http://www.geneveith.com/cbs-looks-for-those-missing-snipers/_466/#comment-5404 Anyone who thinks Obama is the only one getting a free ride from the press must have forgotten the love affair many in the media had and have for "maverick" John McCain. For that matter, I can't see how anyone can think Clinton's gotten a free ride until now. I think she's the one who's gotten the most scrutiny of any of the three. And since the discussion so far has been limited only to the Democrats, I'll bring up McCain. Was his repeated assertion that Iran is backing Al Qaeda (several times in that speech, plus the day before in an interview) merely a serial mistake? Should we be concerned about voting for a candidate who has trouble distinguishing between Sunni and Shiite or can't keep such crucial foreign relations straight when reading a speech or giving an interview? Should we, as Bike Bubba puts it (@5), ask "what are the odds" that he'd make the same mistake several times in several different situations, and conclude -- logically, it could be argued -- that McCain is instead trying to confuse people about Iran's role to lay the groundwork for a future conflict? Anyone who thinks Obama is the only one getting a free ride from the press must have forgotten the love affair many in the media had and have for “maverick” John McCain. For that matter, I can’t see how anyone can think Clinton’s gotten a free ride until now. I think she’s the one who’s gotten the most scrutiny of any of the three.

And since the discussion so far has been limited only to the Democrats, I’ll bring up McCain. Was his repeated assertion that Iran is backing Al Qaeda (several times in that speech, plus the day before in an interview) merely a serial mistake? Should we be concerned about voting for a candidate who has trouble distinguishing between Sunni and Shiite or can’t keep such crucial foreign relations straight when reading a speech or giving an interview?

Should we, as Bike Bubba puts it (@5), ask “what are the odds” that he’d make the same mistake several times in several different situations, and conclude — logically, it could be argued — that McCain is instead trying to confuse people about Iran’s role to lay the groundwork for a future conflict?

]]> By: Carl Vehse http://www.geneveith.com/cbs-looks-for-those-missing-snipers/_466/#comment-5402 Carl Vehse Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:26:08 +0000 http://www.geneveith.com/cbs-looks-for-those-missing-snipers/_466/#comment-5402 From \a href="http://www.kptv.com/politics/15701267/detail.html">KPTV Fox 12 News Hillary is quoted as saying: <i>"So I made a mistake. That happens. It proves I am human, which you know, for some people, is a revelation."</i> Well, keep on digging the hole even deeper, Hillary. <i>"I was sleep-deprived, and I misspoke."</i> She's not the one this country needs to answer those 3 AM calls on the crisis hot line. From \a href=”http://www.kptv.com/politics/15701267/detail.html”>KPTV Fox 12 News Hillary is quoted as saying:

“So I made a mistake. That happens. It proves I am human, which you know, for some people, is a revelation.”

Well, keep on digging the hole even deeper, Hillary.

“I was sleep-deprived, and I misspoke.”

She’s not the one this country needs to answer those 3 AM calls on the crisis hot line.

]]> By: Bike Bubba http://www.geneveith.com/cbs-looks-for-those-missing-snipers/_466/#comment-5387 Bike Bubba Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:19:18 +0000 http://www.geneveith.com/cbs-looks-for-those-missing-snipers/_466/#comment-5387 If we are to doubt that Hillary was lying about this, our job got a lot harder. Even as Hillary was admitting she "mis-spoke", her daughter was repeating the false claim. What are the odds that two people separated by hundreds of miles would have the same error in memory--and one would be repeating that error while the other would be admitting it was wrong? If we are to doubt that Hillary was lying about this, our job got a lot harder. Even as Hillary was admitting she “mis-spoke”, her daughter was repeating the false claim. What are the odds that two people separated by hundreds of miles would have the same error in memory–and one would be repeating that error while the other would be admitting it was wrong?

]]> By: Don S http://www.geneveith.com/cbs-looks-for-those-missing-snipers/_466/#comment-5379 Don S Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:13:21 +0000 http://www.geneveith.com/cbs-looks-for-those-missing-snipers/_466/#comment-5379 The political class is learning, slowly but surely, that it is much more difficult to exaggerate, prevaricate, or obfuscate in the YouTube/Internet age. Accountability is a good thing. The political class is learning, slowly but surely, that it is much more difficult to exaggerate, prevaricate, or obfuscate in the YouTube/Internet age. Accountability is a good thing.

]]> By: organshoes http://www.geneveith.com/cbs-looks-for-those-missing-snipers/_466/#comment-5376 organshoes Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:18:45 +0000 http://www.geneveith.com/cbs-looks-for-those-missing-snipers/_466/#comment-5376 Exactly, CRB. The same press willing to call a Clinton to question over 'truthiness'--finally!--seems willing to allow Obama wiggle-room over the matter of his former pastor, not to mention his Chicago-style associations. So this is no change of tactics by mainstream media--just a change of masters. To me, reporters and pundits are the real culprits anyways, in fudging records or glossing over facts; telling what they want us to know, rather than what is to be known; and for minimizing positions, maximizing the daily skirmishes. So little of substance is being told; just who's up, who's down; who needs to do or say what--so shallow, so un-curious, so irresponsible. Exactly, CRB. The same press willing to call a Clinton to question over ‘truthiness’–finally!–seems willing to allow Obama wiggle-room over the matter of his former pastor, not to mention his Chicago-style associations. So this is no change of tactics by mainstream media–just a change of masters.
To me, reporters and pundits are the real culprits anyways, in fudging records or glossing over facts; telling what they want us to know, rather than what is to be known; and for minimizing positions, maximizing the daily skirmishes. So little of substance is being told; just who’s up, who’s down; who needs to do or say what–so shallow, so un-curious, so irresponsible.

]]> By: CRB http://www.geneveith.com/cbs-looks-for-those-missing-snipers/_466/#comment-5371 CRB Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:19:35 +0000 http://www.geneveith.com/cbs-looks-for-those-missing-snipers/_466/#comment-5371 Well, if anyone might be thinking of taking a serious look at the Obama camp, please read this excellent article first: http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/thornton032108.html Well, if anyone might be thinking of taking a serious look
at the Obama camp, please read this excellent article first:
http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/thornton032108.html

]]> By: organshoes http://www.geneveith.com/cbs-looks-for-those-missing-snipers/_466/#comment-5354 organshoes Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:42:12 +0000 http://www.geneveith.com/cbs-looks-for-those-missing-snipers/_466/#comment-5354 Re: best constructions: It's an act of charity, to credit someone, through our constructions, with trust not evidently due to them. So, charitably, I could say that perhaps she confused this landing, at this base, with another landing elsewhere. And I could feel badly for her that she's speaking the truth, but has confused what is true with what her mind recalls. This is a middle-aged phenomenon, one I've observed AND experienced; an attempt by the mind, I think, to clear up the past, or to land disparate facts into a more cogent narrative. But it usually involves the peripheral details like who was really sitting in the front seat of the family car, or what song was playing, or what color blouse I or one of my sisters wore; not bullets flying when they didn't or running with my head down when I didn't. I feel sorry for the folks who have to clean up for politicians; who have to re-construct a better construction; who have to weave a story that might have been, when the story that IS doesn't measure up, but must not be denied. All that's clear is that the whole cloth of 'the story' has holes, and that voters are deserving of a better construction of facts than what's been offered. Then again, it's on the voters shoulders now, whether or not they want to remain the fools they seem to be taken for. Personally, I've found lots of instances of Clinton-speak where they beg me to take up my Christian, charitable knitting needles, and start knitting a story that serves the Clinton; that asks me to be his, or her, fool. So this particular 'narrative' comes as no surprise, and is not without precedent. The press comes late to the matter, in my estimation. Re: best constructions:
It’s an act of charity, to credit someone, through our constructions, with trust not evidently due to them.
So, charitably, I could say that perhaps she confused this landing, at this base, with another landing elsewhere. And I could feel badly for her that she’s speaking the truth, but has confused what is true with what her mind recalls.
This is a middle-aged phenomenon, one I’ve observed AND experienced; an attempt by the mind, I think, to clear up the past, or to land disparate facts into a more cogent narrative. But it usually involves the peripheral details like who was really sitting in the front seat of the family car, or what song was playing, or what color blouse I or one of my sisters wore; not bullets flying when they didn’t or running with my head down when I didn’t.
I feel sorry for the folks who have to clean up for politicians; who have to re-construct a better construction; who have to weave a story that might have been, when the story that IS doesn’t measure up, but must not be denied.
All that’s clear is that the whole cloth of ‘the story’ has holes, and that voters are deserving of a better construction of facts than what’s been offered.
Then again, it’s on the voters shoulders now, whether or not they want to remain the fools they seem to be taken for.
Personally, I’ve found lots of instances of Clinton-speak where they beg me to take up my Christian, charitable knitting needles, and start knitting a story that serves the Clinton; that asks me to be his, or her, fool. So this particular ‘narrative’ comes as no surprise, and is not without precedent. The press comes late to the matter, in my estimation.

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